After a short break between recordings, Matt and Liam are back — slightly croaky voices, slightly sleep-deprived, and very ready to debrief on their trip to Melbourne for ADAConf 2025.
This episode is a full recap of the conference: the talks that surprised them, the ones that hit hard, the ones they’re still processing, and the moments that tied unexpectedly into the conversations we’ve been having on the show for two years.
They cover:
✔️ Linda McIver’s keynote on being difficult — and why the industry needs more of it
✔️ Matt’s own talk on “Buying Engagement” and how it unexpectedly intertwined with the keynote
✔️ Rahul’s lightning talk on architecture as narrative
✔️ Susan’s phenomenal session on re-architecting data models without rewriting the world
✔️ The scientific method of change, courtesy of Fadila’s A/B testing deep dive
✔️ Why Joy-Driven Development might be the mindset teams desperately need
✔️ A panel on AI that went delightfully off-script — again
✔️ The pub track, the hallway conversations without a hallway, and the moments that stuck long after the day ended
Plus, the two finally reveal something they’ve been cooking up behind the scenes: BDD Live — a possible live panel event exploring the future of development in an AI-saturated world. Maybe. If people want it. (Please want it.)
And yes, Matt gets one more quiet dig in at JavaScript. As is tradition.
🍻 Tonight’s Drinks:
Matt – Lagavulin (medicinal)
Liam – 🚰Sydney Water’s finest
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